Sync behavior: Updated modification time in destination

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

why do I have an "Updated modification time in destination" at every sync, when the file has not been modified?

rclone v1.67.0
- os/version: fedora 41 (64 bit)
- os/kernel: 6.11.10-300.fc41.x86_64 (x86_64)
- os/type: linux
- os/arch: amd64
- go/version: go1.23.1
- go/linking: dynamic
- go/tags: none

[asdffdsa (jojothehumanmonkey)]

@Salvodif

why do I have an "Updated modification time in destination" at every sync, when the file has not been modified?

hard to provide a definitive answer as template questions did not get answered?

in addition, can you rclone copy --dry-run on a single file and post the full debug log.

[kapitainsky]

Try with the latest rclone first. You are few releases behind. There was a lot of metadata handling changes recently.

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

unfortunally we have this on Fedora 41

[kapitainsky]

It is not rclone problem that some linux is using old software versions:)

Download latest one directly from here:

Rclone downloads

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

@asdffdsa

in addition, can you rclone copy --dry-run on a single file and post the full debug log.

blackpraedicator@fedora  ~  rclone copy --dry-run OneDrive/ salvodifOneDrive: --verbose
2024/12/09 20:58:38 NOTICE: Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 76.386Ki)
2024/12/09 20:58:38 NOTICE: Documents/Mappe mentali/Dottorato.emmx: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 1.845Mi)
2024/12/09 20:58:39 NOTICE: Documents/Catechesi ed eventi/Amore e affetto/2 - felicita/2 - Ricerca di felicita.odp: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 23.962Mi)
2024/12/09 20:58:39 NOTICE: DB Calibre/metadata_db_prefs_backup.json: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 16.748Ki)
2024/12/09 20:58:39 NOTICE: DB Calibre/metadata.db: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 1.168Mi)
2024/12/09 20:58:52 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Francis Bacon/The Instauratio Magna Part II_ Novum organum and Associated Texts (1284)/The Instauratio Magna Part II_ Novum organ - Francis Bacon.pdf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 68.537Mi)
2024/12/09 20:59:01 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Labourdette/Cours de Theologie Morale 1 (1286)/metadata.opf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 1.073Ki)
2024/12/09 20:59:01 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Labourdette/Cours de Theologie Morale 1 (1286)/cover.jpg: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 32.868Ki)
2024/12/09 20:59:01 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Labourdette/Cours de Theologie Morale 1 (1286)/Cours de Theologie Morale 1 - Labourdette.pdf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 5.506Mi)
2024/12/09 20:59:01 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Labourdette/Cours de Theologie Morale 2 (1287)/metadata.opf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 1.073Ki)
2024/12/09 20:59:01 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Labourdette/Cours de Theologie Morale 2 (1287)/cover.jpg: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 26.747Ki)
2024/12/09 20:59:01 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Labourdette/Cours de Theologie Morale 2 (1287)/Cours de Theologie Morale 2 - Labourdette.pdf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 18.327Mi)
2024/12/09 20:59:12 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Thomas Aquinas/Commentary on Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics (1285)/metadata.opf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 1.149Ki)
2024/12/09 20:59:12 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Thomas Aquinas/Commentary on Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics (1285)/cover.jpg: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 47.631Ki)
2024/12/09 20:59:12 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Thomas Aquinas/Commentary on Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics (1285)/Commentary on Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethi - Thomas Aquinas.pdf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 41.998Mi)
2024/12/09 20:59:13 NOTICE: DB Calibre/Umberto Galimberti/Psiche e techne. L'uomo nell'eta de (196)/Psiche e techne. L'uomo nell'et - Umberto Galimberti.pdf: Skipped update modification time as --dry-run is set (size 5.314Mi)
2024/12/09 20:59:21 INFO : There was nothing to transfer
2024/12/09 20:59:21 NOTICE:
Transferred: 0 B / 0 B, -, 0 B/s, ETA -
Checks: 3735 / 3735, 100%
Elapsed time: 44.9s

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

I want to stick with package distribution from the software otherwise I'll go back to Arch

[asdffdsa (jojothehumanmonkey)]

the remote is onedrive, so try --modify-windows=1s

@asdffdsa

can you rclone copy --dry-run on a single file and post the full debug log.

1. update rclone, try rclone selfupdate
2. post rclone config redacted
3. for just one single file, source and dest, post the full output of
   rclone lsf filename.ext --format=pth -vv

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

 blackpraedicator@fedora  ~  rclone lsf OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a\ -\ cap.\ 1\ -\ Tecnoetica\ fondamentale.odt  --format=pth -vv 
2024/12/09 21:04:38 DEBUG : rclone: Version "v1.67.0" starting with parameters ["rclone" "lsf" "OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt" "--format=pth" "-vv"]
2024/12/09 21:04:38 DEBUG : Creating backend with remote "OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt"
2024/12/09 21:04:38 DEBUG : Using config file from "/home/blackpraedicator/.config/rclone/rclone.conf"
2024/12/09 21:04:38 DEBUG : fs cache: adding new entry for parent of "OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt", "/home/blackpraedicator/OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato"
2024/12/09 21:04:38 DEBUG : Norme e frontespizio: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:04:38 DEBUG : Tecnoetica 2024-20240905T101350Z-001: Excluded
08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt;2024-12-09 18:17:37;8470d9c9c555a40ff5cc840abbf4b72c
2024/12/09 21:04:38 DEBUG : 4 go routines active

[asdffdsa (jojothehumanmonkey)]

ok, and what about the dest file?

@asdffdsa

the remote is onedrive, so try --modify-windows=1s

the remote is onedrive, so try --modify-windows=1s

[kapitainsky]

@Salvodif

I want to stick with package distribution from the software otherwise I'll go back to Arch

Then you have to deal with outdated software issues yourself. Or seek help among similar old software hobbyists

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

I haven't that flag

2024/12/09 21:08:02 Fatal error: unknown flag: --modify-windows

[asdffdsa (jojothehumanmonkey)]

@Salvodif

I haven't that flag

sorry, that should be --modify-window

need to post the full output of rclone lsf for both the source and the dest

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

@asdffdsa

ost the full output of rclon

I don't have any modify option

  --include stringArray                 Include files matching pattern
  --include-from stringArray            Read file include patterns from file (use - to read from stdin)
  --max-age Duration                    Only transfer files younger than this in s or suffix ms|s|m|h|d|w|M|y (default off)
  --max-depth int                       If set limits the recursion depth to this (default -1)
  --max-size SizeSuffix                 Only transfer files smaller than this in KiB or suffix B|K|M|G|T|P (default off)
  --metadata-exclude stringArray        Exclude metadatas matching pattern
  --metadata-exclude-from stringArray   Read metadata exclude patterns from file (use - to read from stdin)
  --metadata-filter stringArray         Add a metadata filtering rule
  --metadata-filter-from stringArray    Read metadata filtering patterns from a file (use - to read from stdin)
  --metadata-include stringArray        Include metadatas matching pattern
  --metadata-include-from stringArray   Read metadata include patterns from file (use - to read from stdin)
  --min-age Duration                    Only transfer files older than this in s or suffix ms|s|m|h|d|w|M|y (default off)
  --min-size SizeSuffix                 Only transfer files bigger than this in KiB or suffix B|K|M|G|T|P (default off)

[asdffdsa (jojothehumanmonkey)]

1. pick a single file, let's call it /path/to/filename.ext
2. for both, source file and dest file, post the full output of rclone lsf /path/to/filename.ext --format=pth -vv

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

@asdffdsa

urce file and dest file,

Only one file, both path

blackpraedicator@fedora  ~  rclone lsf OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a\ -\ cap.\ 1\ -\ Tecnoetica\ fondamentale.odt --format=pth -vv
2024/12/09 21:14:51 DEBUG : rclone: Version "v1.67.0" starting with parameters ["rclone" "lsf" "OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt" "--format=pth" "-vv"]
2024/12/09 21:14:51 DEBUG : Creating backend with remote "OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt"
2024/12/09 21:14:51 DEBUG : Using config file from "/home/blackpraedicator/.config/rclone/rclone.conf"
2024/12/09 21:14:51 DEBUG : fs cache: adding new entry for parent of "OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt", "/home/blackpraedicator/OneDrive/Documents/Dottorato"
2024/12/09 21:14:51 DEBUG : Norme e frontespizio: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:14:51 DEBUG : Tecnoetica 2024-20240905T101350Z-001: Excluded
08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt;2024-12-09 18:17:37;8470d9c9c555a40ff5cc840abbf4b72c
2024/12/09 21:14:51 DEBUG : 4 go routines active
blackpraedicator@fedora  ~  rclone lsf salvodifOneDrive:Documents/Dottorato/08.a\ -\ cap.\ 1\ -\ Tecnoetica\ fondamentale.odt --format=pth -vv
2024/12/09 21:15:08 DEBUG : rclone: Version "v1.67.0" starting with parameters ["rclone" "lsf" "salvodifOneDrive:Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt" "--format=pth" "-vv"]
2024/12/09 21:15:08 DEBUG : Creating backend with remote "salvodifOneDrive:Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt"
2024/12/09 21:15:08 DEBUG : Using config file from "/home/blackpraedicator/.config/rclone/rclone.conf"
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : fs cache: adding new entry for parent of "salvodifOneDrive:Documents/Dottorato/08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt", "salvodifOneDrive:Documents/Dottorato"
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Norme e frontespizio: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Tecnoetica 2024-20240905T101350Z-001: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 01 - Frontepsizio.docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 01 - Frontepsizio.docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 02 - Dedica (se presente).docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 02 - Dedica (se presente).docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 03 - Presentazione (per la pubblicazione, di un esperto o dell'Editore).docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 03 - Presentazione (per la pubblicazione, di un esperto o dell'Editore).docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 04 - Prefazione dell'Autore.docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 04 - Prefazione dell'Autore.docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 05 - Sommario (se presente).docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 05 - Sommario (se presente).docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 06 - Sigle e abbreviazioni (se presente).docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 06 - Sigle e abbreviazioni (se presente).docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 07 - Introduzione generale.docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 07 - Introduzione generale.docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 08.a - cap. 2 - τέχνη foundation of technoethics for the development of an ethical system.odt: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 08.a - cap. 2 - τέχνη foundation of technoethics for the development of an ethical system.odt: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 09 - Conclusione.docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 09 - Conclusione.docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 10 - Appendici (se presenti).docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 10 - Appendici (se presenti).docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 11 - Bibliografia.docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 11 - Bibliografia.docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 12 - Altri Indici (se presenti).docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 12 - Altri Indici (se presenti).docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 13 - Indice.docx: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 13 - Indice.docx: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : esempio dottorato.pdf: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : esempio dottorato.pdf: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Manuale ZOTERO.pdf: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Manuale ZOTERO.pdf: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Norme Tesi Licenza e Dottorato PUSC.pdf: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Norme Tesi Licenza e Dottorato PUSC.pdf: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : PUSC-Facoltà di Teologia.csl: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : PUSC-Facoltà di Teologia.csl: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Salvatore Di Fazio - proposta di progetto.pdf: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Salvatore Di Fazio - proposta di progetto.pdf: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Salvatore Di Fazio - Research projectDEF.odt: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Salvatore Di Fazio - Research projectDEF.odt: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Salvatore Di Fazio - The epistemological status of technoethics. History, philosophy and theology.pdf: Excluded (FilesFrom Filter)
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : Salvatore Di Fazio - The epistemological status of technoethics. History, philosophy and theology.pdf: Excluded
2024/12/09 21:15:10 ERROR : 08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt: Failed to read hash: hash type not supported
08.a - cap. 1 - Tecnoetica fondamentale.odt;2024-12-09 18:17:37;
2024/12/09 21:15:10 DEBUG : 6 go routines active
blackpraedicator@fedora  ~ 

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

✘ blackpraedicator@fedora  ~  sudo rclone selfupdate
[sudo] password for blackpraedicator:
2024/12/09 21:48:51 NOTICE: Successfully updated rclone from version v1.67.0 to version v1.68.2

[asdffdsa (jojothehumanmonkey)]

@Salvodif

NOTICE: Successfully updated rclone from version v1.67.0 to version v1.68.2

ok, good that you updated.
need to re-run the copy command again.

https://github.com/rclone/rclone/issues/8101

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

this is a loooooooooong issue

I think that I understood the problem and the solution seems

rclone sync OneDrive/ salvodifOneDrive: --verbose --modify-window 1s

[Salvodif (Salvatore Di Fazio)]

what are you talking about?