both, run the same basic setup, run veeam on a windows server 2019 hyper-v edition using REFS.
i only use s3 storage, as it has SSE-C, MFA, session tokens, iam/bucket polices.
- use veeam to backup servers/workstation to local backup server
rclone copy --immutable
and can create a VSS snaphost and use that as the source for rclone copy
https://forum.rclone.org/t/i-want-to-share-how-to-enable-vss-for-rclone/11644